North Carolina mom allegedly poisons family. Singer D4vd arrested. Plus, sexual assault awareness.

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[01:48] And the Utah mom on trial for masterminding the murder of her son-in-law takes the witness stand. I took Katie's face in my hands. [01:57] And I said, Kevin, shot man. Plus, it's Sexual Assault Awareness Month. We'll be talking to Donna Palumba, a survivor who has transformed her own traumatic experience into advocacy and support for others. These crimes are difficult to talk about. But in order to prevent them, we have to be able to. But before all that, we're heading to Henderson County, North Carolina, where we are learning more about the investigation into a woman accused of poisoning her own children at their Thanksgiving dinner. [02:29] Thanksgiving is usually a time for friends and family to gather, express gratitude, and share a meal. But according to prosecutors, last November, 53-year-old Gudrun Kasper Leinenkugel served up something diabolical to her guests. Wine laced with poison. Gudrun's 32-year-old daughter, Leela, died the next day. The boyfriend of her other daughter became violently ill and was hospitalized. He survived. [02:57] Weeks later, Gudrun was charged with murder and attempted murder. But that wasn't all, because prosecutors say this isn't the first time she has fatally poisoned someone. Investigators have remained tight-lipped about the case, but Dateline producers Carol Gable and Haley Barber recently obtained newly unsealed search warrants, which provide a first look at what led up to Gudrun's arrest. They are here now to get us up to speed on this complicated case and tell us what they've learned.

[03:27] Hey. [03:28] And we're glad you're on this story with us because it sure has a lot of twists and turns. Oh, my goodness. [03:35] So many twists and turns. It's incredible. So let's talk about these search warrants. Early on in their investigation, detectives went to court and applied for the warrants so they could get access to various medical and cell phone records. In order for the judge to sign off, they had to submit a summary of their case. And that's what you got your hands on, Haley and Carol. You've taken a peek and we are learning a lot more. Yeah, that's right, Andrea. This is really the first time we're piecing this together [04:05] We're going to get into more details of those cases, but first, can you give us a little more background on Gudrun? [04:35] She opened a restaurant, the Patton Public House, inspired by public houses in Germany. Sort of comfort food, walls covered with beer taps. The other thing that we know, Andrea, is that we believe Gudrun had four children or has now three children because 32-year-old Lila Levis obviously is the victim in this case and has passed away. And then Maya is another older daughter, and she is 28 years old from what we understand, and there are two little kids.

[05:05] And we don't know much about them. Take us to this Thanksgiving dinner in 2025. Well, we know that there are six adults there. Basically, Gudrun's two older daughters, Leila and Maya, Maya's boyfriend, Richard. And then also another man named Jeff. And then another man named Landon was also at this dinner. [05:29] dinner. According to these search warrants, everything seemed fine at this dinner at first. Goodwin's daughters, as well as Richard, went home. Around midnight, Maya says that Richard started feeling really ill. He has flu-like symptoms. By 8 a.m., she is dialing 911 and saying he's got to get to the hospital. That morning, Goodwin calls Leela, her daughter, to check in on her, and she's not able to reach her. So she reaches out to the Jackson County [05:59] pops in the car, and goes to check on Lila. When she arrives at the scene, Lila is dead inside the residence. So... [06:07] Did Gudrun say why she reached out to Lila? Was this in response to Richard getting sick? Do we know? Yeah, that's a good question. And the timeline's not super clear to us on all of that yet. Haley, according to these search warrants you obtained, Gudrun tells investigators responding to Lila's death that she thinks Lila might have fallen ill from wine Gudrun served at the dinner.

[06:37] And then when talking with a doctor treating Richard at the hospital, she adds a new detail. That's right. So after she leaves Leela's residence, she goes to the hospital. From what we understand, she brings up sort of this wine again. And she adds in that the wine was stored in an industrial closet where chemicals were possibly kept, including things like rat poison, cyanide that they used in their barn. [07:07] unquote. [07:08] So is she trying to say that the younger children might have contaminated the wine? Yeah, it's unclear what theory she's offering here. But Gudrun also tells the doctor that this bottle was already open when she presented it at the party. Gudrun said she served Lila and Richard the wine and also her other daughter, Maya. So why did Maya not get sick if the wine was? [07:32] Well, a fly apparently gets in her glass and it's, you know, she realizes this and spits a little bit out and that she also reported that the wine tasted off. So she didn't have as much as the other two. And also, it's interesting, Gudrun did not have any of the wine because she's allergic to grapes. [08:02] wine beverage. So law enforcement definitely zeroed in on the wine. Are they able to test

[08:08] the wine. Landon brings that bottle to investigators and they do conduct testing. Investigators learn that Richard had five times the lethal dose of cyanide in his system. One of the detectives talks to the medical examiner who does a toxicology test on Leela and they report that Leela's blood sample pointed her to the chemical acetonitrile, [08:38] period of hours. Did Gudrun have any of this chemical in her home or did she have any use for it? Yes. So during a police interview, Gudrun actually admits apparently that she did have some of these chemicals in her home, that she had bought this acetonitrile. According to prosecutors, Gudrun took that chemical and intentionally spiked the wine before serving it to her Thanksgiving guests. Have they offered up any alleged motive for it? [09:06] I mean, a mother poisoning her own daughter, that is just something we at Dateline really almost never hear. Yeah, that's right, Andrea. And not only that, but from everyone we've spoken to, Gudrun had a very close relationship with her daughters, especially Leela. And we should say Gudrun has entered a not guilty plea to all the charges against her. But there is a big twist in all of this. This is not the only murder that Gudrun has been charged with, Carol. No, it's not. [09:36] learned that there was a man named Michael Schmidt. Goodwin had reported him dead back in 2007, and she is now charged with his death. Yeah, she apparently lived inside the house and he lived in a camper on the property. That's right. And we believe he was actually the owner of the property at this time. And according to investigators in these new documents, they say that Goodwin was

[10:06] actually the last person who saw Michael alive. But the real twist here is apparently this same chemical, acetonitrile, was found in his system as well. Oh, the plot thickens when you hear the same chemical. And there's still a lot of, I would say, mysteries surrounding his death. At first, Michael's death was ruled accidental. There is a report that this acetonitrile was [10:36] puffing this substance, acetonitrile. And we are so early days. We really don't know [10:43] hardly anything about the defense, except we know that many of her family members are still very supportive of her. I think it's very important to say that Maya, as of the last time that we saw her, was supporting her mother in all of this. Well, she is, and so is the boyfriend who had to be hospitalized. So I think that's a significant factor to keep in mind at this stage of the case. [11:13] do we know when she is due back in court, Haley? Yeah, next week, actually. So April 30th, there's another hearing. So I'd be interested to see what happens next. Yeah, just tons of questions. Thank you, Haley and Carol, so much for bringing us this update. Thanks for having us, Andrea. Thanks, Andrea. Coming up, seven months after the body of a teenager was found in the trunk of a Tesla registered to the singer David, he's arrested in the Hollywood Hills.

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[13:18] Don't just get back on track. Start moving forward with Penn Foster. [13:23] Visit penfoster.edu slash dateline to learn more. [13:30] Late last week, news broke of an arrest in the Hollywood Hills. Video showed armed police officers in tactical gear walking a man by the name of David Anthony Burke to a squad car. But you might know him by another name, David, but spelled D4VD, a singer with a multi-million dollar recording contract. He went viral on TikTok a few years ago with his song, Romantic Homicide. [13:58] I killed you and I didn't even regret it. Seven months ago, he was on a world tour to promote his new album when police made a frightening discovery in the trunk of his Tesla. After investigators made entry to the car, they found what appears to be the remains of a human being. The remains belong to a 14-year-old girl named Celeste Rivas. On Monday, Burke was charged with Celeste's murder. He has pleaded not guilty. [14:28] Tell us more about the investigation. Other charges Burke is facing and what comes next is NBC News investigative reporter Andrew Blankstein. Andrew, thanks for being here. Thanks for having me, Andrea. So, Andrew, tell us a little more about David Anthony Burke for people who don't know him. He's a new kind of artist who broke out on social media. Very successful, right? So for a lot of younger people, David is a really big deal. He has a very big following.

[14:58] He's in a Christian family, grew up listening to gospel. In 2021, he starts making background music for TikToks. And like you said, it goes viral with this hit Romantic Homicide. He opened for artist SZA. He releases his debut album, Withered, in 2025. And he played at well-known music festivals like Lollapalooza and Coachella. [15:21] So, Andrew, his career was definitely on the rise. How does Celeste Rivas fit into the picture here? She was from Lake Elsinore, this quiet town in Riverside County. We don't know how they met. He's 21 years old now. According to the prosecution, he was 18 years old. Celeste Rivas. [15:39] Rivas was 13 years old. Her family knew she was friends with him. Celeste's family reported her missing in April of 2024. They said she left to go see a movie with David and never came back. [15:51] a runaway situation. Then according to prosecution's timeline, she's alive until April 2025, when she's last seen by others. And then her body was found in September of 2025, months later. [16:04] How was the body even discovered in the first place? [16:07] in David's Tesla. So the Tesla has been parked in the Hollywood Hills, just above Sunset Boulevard, for a number of weeks. [16:15] And neighbors call, and eventually the car is towed to a tow yard in mid-city Los Angeles. There's an overpowering smell. Police are called to the tow yard, and in the trunk, they discover Celeste's body, but they don't know it's her at that point. There's a coroner's investigation, and eventually she's identified.

[16:36] We mentioned that David was on tour when this discovery was made. How does he react to this? Because he's not immediately arrested, but it is his car, so that doesn't look great. What does he do? Well, the tour continues for a little bit of time right after the discovery of the body. But as the attention to this case grows, so does the pressure to kind of not continue that tour. [17:06] said he was cooperating with the investigation, but an LAPD source told NBC4 in November that that wasn't the case. During this period, investigators are canvassing for video. There's a grand jury that's convened where there's testimony taken from people in David's orbit. Obviously, grand jury's proceeding is secret, so we don't know kind of the full extent of it, but they're doing things [17:36] a criminal act. David was arrested, as we said, last week. This is about one year after Celeste was last seen. On Monday, District Attorney Nathan Hockman announced the formal charges against him at a press conference. These charges include the most serious charges that a DA's office can bring. That is, first-degree murder with special circumstances. [17:57] Break those charges down for us, Andrew. Well, the first one, obviously, first-degree murder is an intentional murder, premeditated act. The other counts, in addition to first-degree murder, were continuous sexual abuse of a minor and also mutilation of a body in terms of the disposal of that body. Andrew, what is the defense saying about these allegations?

[18:27] said that [18:28] when it came to their client, quote, the actual evidence in this case will show that David Burke did not murder Celeste Rivas Hernandez and that he was not the cause of her death. We will vigorously defend David's innocence. David appeared in court Monday. He entered that not guilty plea. What was his demeanor like? So David appeared in Division 30 of the criminal courts building in [18:58] a lot of emotion. It's kind of a fairly quick hearing. But one of the things that comes out of it is his criminal defense attorneys go and say, we want a preliminary hearing where the prosecution has to put its evidence before a judge to see if they will go forward with the trial. Members of Celeste's family attended David's arraignment but didn't speak to the media. On Tuesday afternoon, they released a statement thanking the LAPD for their hard work. [19:28] Andrew, we will continue to follow this case. Thank you so much for bringing us what you know so far. Thanks so much, Andrea. Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. We've got an update on Alec Baldwin's latest legal troubles. And the Utah mom accused of murdering her son-in-law testifies in her own defense. Plus, it's Sexual Assault Awareness Month.

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[23:27] NBC News in the weeks after the incident. There are incidental accidents on film sets from time to time, but nothing like this. We were a very, very... [23:38] you know, well-oiled crew [23:40] shooting a film together, and then this horrible event happened. So Baldwin and the movie's armorer were initially criminally charged in connection to the shooting. What happened with those charges? Yes, that's right. The armorer, Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, was convicted at trial of involuntary manslaughter and sentenced to 18 months in prison for her role in the shooting. Baldwin was also charged with involuntary manslaughter, but the case against him was thrown out in a very dramatic way. [24:10] after the judge determined that the prosecution hid evidence from the defense. So that was nearly two years ago, if you can believe it. But now, because of a new ruling last week, Baldwin may have to defend himself at trial after all. But this time, Sue, we're talking about civil court. That's right, Andrea. So a gaffer on the set, Serge Svetnoy, filed a civil lawsuit against Alec Baldwin back in 2021, [24:40] stress because of that. In his lawsuit, he blamed the shooting on the negligence of the armorer and producers. And that, of course, includes Alec Baldwin. How has Alec Baldwin's defense team responded to these claims? It seems Alec just can't shake what happened. So true. The defense team tried to get the lawsuit thrown out, saying, among other things, that there is no evidence that Baldwin had a duty in his capacity as a producer to ensure everyone's safety on the set. All right,

[25:10] against him and says that the lawsuit can go to trial. Do we know when that'll be? Well, unless the settlement is reached, Andrea, the case is going to go to trial on October 12th. OK, we'll keep an eye on that. Next, we are heading to a Utah courtroom for the latest on a case we told you about last week. This is the trial of Tracy Grist, who prosecutors say masterminded a plot to kill her son-in-law, Matt Ristelli. It is week two of the trial and Tracy took the stand on Monday. [25:40] remind everybody about the basics of this one. So the victim was 42-year-old Matt Rostelli. He was married to Tracy's daughter, Kate. Matt and Kate lived in California. Tracy lived in Utah. In July 2024, Kate and Matt's marriage was in trouble and Kate took her kids and she went to stay with her mom. Prosecutors say that's when Tracy, the mom, came up with a plan to murder Matt. They say she [26:10] Tracy's son, Kevin, shot him. And then they placed a knife in his hand to make it look like the shooting was in self-defense. Investigators did not buy that story, and they arrested all three of them, Tracy, Kevin, and Kate. Kate pleaded guilty, and she agreed to testify against her mom. The prosecution's sue wrapped Monday, and then it was the defense's turn to put on its case. Tracy herself took the stand, and she's really the star witness in this.

[26:40] it is for the defendant to take the stand. So Tracy denied plotting the killing or even being in the room when Matt was shot. Tracy says her son-in-law came barging into the house uninvited. [26:52] But I didn't hear the doorbell, I didn't hear a knock, and I didn't expect him to walk into the house. [26:58] within a few short period of few moments, I heard gunfire. [27:06] And then what happened? I went to the foot of the stairs and that's where I saw Matt laying down where he had fallen down. [27:14] and [27:15] I saw Kevin and I said, "Kevin, what happened? What happened?" What did Kevin say? [27:22] He said he had a knife. [27:24] So when you went upstairs, what did you do? [27:27] I said I took Katie's face in my hands [27:32] Thank you. [27:33] And I said, "Kevin, shut up, man." [27:36] The defense attorney also asked Tracy why she thinks her daughter, Kate, decided to testify against her. Tracy accused the prosecutors of intimidating her daughter. I suspect she was... [27:48] Intimidated? [27:50] Bye. [27:51] the government and by the evidence, which I don't blame her for being intimidated because it sounds like there was a lot. [27:59] believe that she... [28:02] was making a deal... [28:05] Thank you. [28:05] saying what she needed to to have the least amount of time in jail

[28:11] As possible, or prison as possible. So the defense also pushed back on something that stood out to us here at Dateline. Internet searches that Tracy allegedly made about Dateline's coverage of the Donna Adelson case. Our listeners probably remember she's the Florida grandmother convicted of masterminding a plot to murder her former son-in-law, FSU law professor Dan Markell. [28:41] Yeah, it's wild. The defense addressed this with Tracy on the stand saying that she was an avid true crime fan, and so was her other daughter, Tara Lynn. And so it was normal for her to read about high profile stories like the Adelsons. It was a popular... [28:56] true crime story and there was no movies out. Okay. And you listened to a podcast about it? Yeah, I listened to the podcast and then I would go down a rabbit hole and... [29:07] look at things, look at a picture of a [29:10] Person that's being talked about. So is this a hobby of yours? Yeah. True crime? Yes. How did the prosecutor sue handle Tracy on cross-examination? The prosecutor pressed Tracy on a few inconsistencies in her testimony, but she stuck to her version of the story. All right, thank you for the update, Sue. Thanks, Andrea. After we taped this conversation Tuesday, the jury came back with a verdict. Tracy Grist was found guilty on all charges. Were you the jury? [29:40] and paneled in the above entitled cause, find a defendant as to count one, murder, as charged in the information, guilty, jury for a person.

[29:50] She faces up to life in prison. [29:57] In September 1993, Donna Palumbo was sexually assaulted by a masked intruder inside her home while her husband was out of town and her young children slept just rooms away. He flipped me onto my stomach and put the gun in my back. And he said, if you call the pigs, I'm going to come back and kill you. [30:20] and Donna ran to a neighbor's house for help, the beginning of a long, difficult path toward justice. I covered Donna's story for the Dateline episode, Evil Paid a Visit. She told me how she was questioned and doubted by investigators in the aftermath of that assault, a second trauma that nearly derailed the case, and how years later investigators identified her attacker as a family friend, someone she and her husband knew and trusted. It was unbelievable. [30:50] Donna is one of millions of sexual assault survivors. According to the CDC, nearly half of women and more than one in six men experience sexual violence in their lifetime. April is Sexual Assault Awareness Month, the time to support survivors and push for change. It is work Donna now does every day through her organization, Jane Doe No More. And she joins us now to talk about that work. Donna, so good to see you again. Great to see you, Andrea. Yeah, thank you for being here.

[31:20] So Donna, when you look back on everything that you have personally been through, how did those experiences shape the decision to eventually speak out and share your story publicly? Because I know in the beginning, you were anonymous. You didn't want to share your name. That's right. I was Jane Doe. And honestly, I thought I had done everything right the night of the crime. I went to the hospital. I had a sex crimes kit done. I was treated for injuries, told officers that were there. [31:50] that I could possibly remember about the crime. And I was well on my way to healing, actually, trying to keep it all together for my family and young children. And I was re-victimized. I was threatened with arrest. Unbelievable. [32:07] Yeah, I was, the re-victimization, Andrea, is what really compelled me to do something. So because of all those things that went wrong, you took that experience, the worst of your life, and you turned it into action with your foundation, Jane Doe No More. What was your vision for the organization and what kind of impact are you, you know, making today after all these years? Because this is, Jane Doe No More has been around for a while now. [32:37] Next year in 2027. So mind-blowing. But initially, we started out to improve the way society responds to victims, survivors of sexual crimes because of the way I was treated, because these crimes are so stigmatized and they expect a victim who's been traumatized to act a certain way, which is impossible to predict. And so, you know, we have grown from there. We now have programs, but it

[33:07] These crimes are difficult to talk about. A lot of people don't want to even discuss them. But in order to prevent them, we have to be able to, in age-appropriate language, start very early on. And even in, you know, we have a program called Safety for Me for boys and girls ages 5 to 11. [33:26] I mean, it's sad to say, but... [33:28] The majority of our survivors on our Survivor Speak team are victims of child sexual abuse by someone they loved and trusted, which is just gut-wrenching, but it's a fact. People think these types of crimes, it's a stranger in an alley or it involves physical force, and it's not true. Yeah. [33:48] So what should someone do if they are a victim and they're listening right now or they have a friend or a family member and they haven't reported anything yet? Where do they start? [33:58] Well, it really is a personal choice, and we always want to put that forward because some people... [34:05] Some victims will choose not to report for whatever reason, but they can also find support in other ways. We actually have a closed Facebook group called JDNM, the acronym for Jane Don't Know More Survivors. It's grown to almost 600, I think, survivors now, men and women, who just go there. There's no judgment. And if someone discloses to you, we just say to be there for them in that moment, to ask [34:35] And if they choose to report, to be there for them and to look into ways that you can continue to help them. And Donna, if this is happening in the moment, in the future to someone, and it's just happened, obviously calling the police is really important. But are there any tips or anything that people can be armed with now in case this happens later of things they should be doing or asking, getting? I think the first thing to do is get to a place of safety.

[35:05] strongly urge to call 911 and to go to the hospital to have evidence collected. Because even if you choose not to report, you're overwhelmed in that moment. You do not have to report that evening or that day. You can have the sex crimes kit done and it will stay. And they have to hold it. Depends on which state you're in, they'll hold it. So that during that time period, you will be able to get to a point where you can make an educated decision. If you [35:35] There's a multitude of reasons why someone might not want to, and that's okay too. Yeah, and I've noticed a lot in these cases when they come forward later, [35:44] It seems to be really important when victims say, I kept a diary. I wrote this in my diary. Or I told a friend. Or I told a family member. And then there's like that. It helps with corroboration that it's not just you saying, oh, this happened, but I didn't do anything. Absolutely. I remember doing just that. It is important to document, if you can, anything that you can. Because, you know, memories lapse. And it's important. Donna, wow. Thank you so much for these tips. [36:14] inspiration to all kinds of people going through this. We appreciate it. [36:19] Oh, we appreciate you. Thank you so much, Andrea.

[36:49] center of the case, including Corey's brother, who is speaking out publicly for the first time since the trial. My mother said Corey did a good job, that she just didn't break down there. And I said, well, it's not a matter of breaking down. I said, it's just shocking. Watch Book of Lies this Friday at 9, 8 central on NBC. [37:07] or you can stream it starting Saturday on Peacock. I hope you'll join us. Thanks for listening. Dateline True Crime Weekly is produced by Carson Cummins, Caroline Casey, and Kiani Reed. Our associate producers are Ellery Gladstone-Grath and Aria Young. Our senior producer is Liz Brown-Kurloff. Production and fact-checking help by Audrey Abrahams. Veronica Mazzaka is our digital producer. Rick Kwan is our sound designer. Original music by Jesse McGinty. Paul Ryan is executive producer. [37:37] or of Dateline. Bye, everyone. [37:49] Snoring? Gasping during sleep? Feeling fatigued? Ask your doctor about ZepBound, Terzepatite, the first and only FDA-approved prescription medicine for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, and adults with obesity. ZepBound is a prescription medicine used with a reduced-calorie diet and increased physical activity to help adults with moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea, OSA, and obesity to improve their OSA.

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